네덜란드 암스테르담 (1)
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>> My name is Tom Harsalehr.
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>> I’m 87 years old.
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>> When I was 22, I left, in 1950 … January 1953, and I came back in 1954.
>> But it was great.
>> It was radio work.
>> In Korea, my job was a radio man. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
>> I was a radio man, and I was up with the commanders, commanding officers. My children know nothing at all about my past, and I want to keep it that way.
>> Why?
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>> Because I lost my two best friends there.
>> Hmm. How?
>> Killed.
>> Killed in action.
>> Killed in action.
>> Hmm, it must have been very painful.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> But you served, and you made a sacrifice, and something great came out of it, and aren’t you proud? Don’t you want to share that with your children?
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>> I’ve always found it extremely difficult to talk about this.
>> Even after almost 70 years?
>> I have everything here and here. It’s for me and not for other.
>> Well, how about maybe not your personal, but how about your … Well, how about this? In war …
>> Yes.
>> There’s a lot of pain and suffering, but sometimes, there’s also humanity.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Like caring for the civilians, kids, I hear a lot about veterans remembering, soldiers remembering orphans. Do you remember anything like a touching story of humanity? You mentioned “M*A*S*H,” something laughing, something funny.
>> I got three friends over there, three dogs.
>> Three dogs?
>> Yes.
>> You had three dogs?
>> Three dogs.
>> Oh.
>> That’s after the war.
>> After the war, when you were a cook?
>> Yes.
>> Yes, do you remember their names?
>> I’ve got everything. No, I don’t know, but I can give to the dogs anything.
>> Yeah, dogs are man’s best friend. Well, so you mentioned that two of your best friends died, and I know 124 Dutch men, servicemen died. What do you think is … What do you think other people should know about the Dutch service?
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>> Something different about Dutch service than other …
>> You mean what they do over there in Korea?
>> Whether what you did or what you think is very important, like protecting …
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>> … other soldiers, and …
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>> I will need … He doesn’t want to to discuss the extraordinary things that were particularly Dutch because …
>> No.
>> … of his friends.
>> No, but … No, I’m not talking about personal story. I’m talking about, well, numbers. You’re part of the Association. What … Why is the Association important? Why do you think Dutch or the rest of the world should remember this war? Because it’s called the Forgotten War.
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>> Yeah, I …
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>> Yeah, no, that’s my friends [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
>> I have … These are my comrades here, but we never talk about the things that we have personally experienced in the war.
>> I know, but I’m not talking about personal experience.
>> No.
>> I’m talking about …
>> No? Okay.
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>> The important thing about this Association …
>> The Forgotten War.
>> … is that it’s … It remembers the Forgotten War that Dutch history books forgot, literally, and it is hardly taught at school [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
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>> I was introduced to the Korea Association by a Mr. Ralph who came to see me at home and told me about this, and that’s why I became a member.
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>> I go to the annual ceremonies.
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>> And I accompany all the … all my comrades here to the grave.
>> Explain to me about … You wanted to explain to me about the dog tags.
>> This is for the dog. Listen. In Korea, when you’re on the line, and you have them. This one and when you are dead or killed, then she take this. She take this.
>> Okay, mm-hmm, ah.
>> But the medics, she coming, and she take this one. Then she take this one, and then she know who you are.
>> Identification.
>> So you have the two of them. One is used if you are killed, and then the medics come along to pick you up.
>> Yeah.
>> And they just take the other tag and know who you are?
>> The medics take this one, and you have this one.
>> And because it’s stuck between your teeth, you don’t lose it.
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>> Well, I am very, very glad that you have both.
>> Everyone present is glad that you have both.
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>> It’s been hanging in my bedroom for 60 years.
>> I’m very grateful. Last question: Your tie, explain to me about your tie. I love …
>> Your [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
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>> My [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] that’s the Korean [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
>> Association.
>> The Korean Association tie …
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>> … with the Indian emblem of the second division.
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>> [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] forwards and afterwards.
>> Yes, the emblem that was on the sleeves, when they went out there, the Indian was looking forwards, and when they came back to Holland, the Indian was looking backwards to Korea.
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>> On the right or …
>> On the right or the left?
>> On the left, it’s looking forward.
>> Oh.
>> Yeah.
>> And that … What’s that looking?
>> That …
>> It’s looking on the …
>> That’s only the [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
>> It’s just the Association tie.
>> Yeah.
>> Hmm.
>> You like it?
>> I love it.
>> You want it? You want to have it?
>> He’s looking to the right, so he was going out there.
>> You want one?
>> Yeah.
>> Last question, have you visited Korea?
>> Yes, 2 years ago.
>> Tell me about it.
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>> November 2015, he was there.
>> All different, very, very different, when we come to Korea, we see only one thing: water, sand and [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] very bad. In Seoul, one bridge, and now … [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. You’ll … In Seoul, you have only one street [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
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>> There’s only one street which was paved.
>> Only one street, for the pigs, and rest of the land, nothing.
>> Mm-hmm, the rest of the land were just …
>> The houses, very …
>> … no roads.
>> Oh, very bad, very bad [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
>> That was the first time.
>> And after that, I come back.
>> And the only time [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
>> When you were a soldier, when you went out, then.
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>> And now?
>> And now?
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>> Things have improved so much it seems as if we are holding back. We are now primitive. They are very advanced.
>> Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
>> They are way ahead.
>> Well, I hope that you saw that, and you were very, very proud.
>> Okay, thank you.
>> Thank you.
